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Real ID act news

Postby Too-Much-Coffee Mistress » Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:53 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act

Most of the fears revolving around the Real ID act relate to the not-unfounded ideas that a national ID card would be required to open a bank account, travel by plane, collect social security payments, etc. There are also notions that tracking chips would be implanted in the cards, but that's a discussion for a different topic.

Well, for those that think Real ID is all smoke n' mirrors or nothing to be worried about: Department of Homeland Security head Michael Chertoff has warned states that have passed legislation opposing the Real ID act (which will go into effect early next year, btw) that they would be required to use passports in order to travel domestically by airplane, enter a courthouse, etc. Now, above and beyond any other skeezy implications of this, passports currently run just shy of $100 a pop for anyone over 16, and I'm sure you've all heard of the insane backlog for getting one right now.

As soon as I can hunt down a transcript of the speech, I'll post it.
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Postby Too-Much-Coffee Mistress » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:18 pm

http://www.secure-license.org/cms/index ... ust_8_2007

"Last March, in accordance with the REAL ID Act and in fulfillment of the Congressional mandate, I announced a rule that proposed specific minimum standards for state-issued driver’s licenses and identification cards to be accepted for federal purposes, such as air travel."
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Postby Eolh » Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:51 pm

While that may be true in the short term after the legislation takes effect, I'd expect, given enough pressure from the states, that Congress would roll back or significantly adjust the Real ID act if that became the case. The fact of the matter is that (like most things done under the Republicans watch) the national ID legislation has been a complete clusterfuck anyway.
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Postby Aeli » Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:27 pm

ok, so, how is this different than what you already have to go through to get a driver's license? I just had to replace my old driver's license which was the picture in the corner, laminated at the tag office kind, with the new hologram imprinted, electronic strip on the back kind, and i had to go to the police department and talk to the cop that does the driving tests . ihad to submit a birth cert., my soc sec card, and my old license. then they took the prints of my index fingers with a laser, and obviously a new picture. it doesn't seem, to me at any rate, that this real ID thing would be any different than having your ID issued nationally instead of state by state? because you already have to show your ID to get on a plane, or open a bank account, etc... what am i not getting here?

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Re: Real ID act news

Postby Bag of Ass » Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:33 pm

Too-Much-Coffee Mistress wrote:Now, above and beyond any other skeezy implications of this, passports currently run just shy of $100 a pop for anyone over 16, and I'm sure you've all heard of the insane backlog for getting one right now.

Two friends of mine recently applied for and got passports. One of them took 8-10 weeks. The other (more recent) one took only 4 weeks. I think they've caught up with the backlog.

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Postby Eolh » Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:35 pm

The difference would be that now your identity information would be under the control of a single entity in the Federal government, as opposed to being modularized by the States. A lot of people have serious privacy concerns when giving that kind of informational power to the Federal government as it increases the ability for it to be abused by a more than significant amount.
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Postby Aeli » Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:20 pm

well, i feel fairly certain that the federal government already has all of this information about us anyway. we've all been numbered like stock cattle through the social security administration for generations. It seems like the people who would be upset by this are making their argument a little late.

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Postby Too-Much-Coffee Mistress » Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:00 am

It's a bit difficult to make a stand against social security numbers when they dish them out while you're still drooling on yourself.

Besides which, it's a false argument to say that just because they've already got control of a good deal of information that we should just hand them MORE.

Not to mention that there isn't talk of sticking RFID chips in our soc. sec. cards or our current driver's licenses, and also...

what Eolh said.

note: This is the same basic argument I'd make against the FCC's recent attempts to loosen ownership rules regarding news sources.

Also, considering the shite our government's been up to of late, this Real ID stuff is cast in an even less favorable light as far as I'm concerned.
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Postby hobokenbob » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:52 pm

The idea that we are a union of states has somewhat gone out the window in this country for better or for worse. I can't see that there will ever be enough opposition of this from the dwindling minority of citizens with privacy and the security of their information.

Basically, they are under the perfect storm of 9/11 fear, Immigration hate, the general perception of america as one unit rather than an alliance of many units, and the my-face-space-book culture movement of extreme apathy towards anything resembling a private life.

so uh, good luck with that.
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Postby Kauser » Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:20 pm

That's socialism for you.
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Postby Rob » Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:32 pm

I discovered on Friday I've been the victim of identity fraud.

Gave me a serious 'reality check' about how much of my 'private' information might be kicking around online, mostly through my own actions (or inactions, if you see what I mean).
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Postby Too-Much-Coffee Mistress » Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:19 am

Ouch. Sorry, Rob... :( Are you going to be able to make any sort of recovery from it? How long has it been going on?
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Postby dogmeat » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:37 am

Rob wrote:I discovered on Friday I've been the victim of identity fraud.

Gave me a serious 'reality check' about how much of my 'private' information might be kicking around online, mostly through my own actions (or inactions, if you see what I mean).


Oh buggrit. :| Hope they didn't get much.

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Postby Rob » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:40 pm

Still trying to get a handle on what has happened and what the fallout is going to be. Will post a full story once the dust settles and I understand exactly where things have ended up.

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Postby . » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:48 am

Christ, I guess I should be grateful only one account of mine got raped. You have my sympathy, Rob.

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Postby Bag of Ass » Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:31 am

I am on the phone with the credit card company figuring out that a handful of charges were fraudulent. They're issuing me a new card (after which I have to send them something verifying that I got it, or something) and they're refunding me the value of those bad charges. I wonder how they got the info. I never use this particular card online. The last place I recall using it was at Gamestop when I bought Rock Band. Perhaps they are even less trustworthy than we previously imagined.

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Postby Bag of Ass » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:56 pm

They recommended that I get credit reports from the three credit bureaus (Transunion, Equifax, Experian). I guess they passed a law that the three bureaus have to provide you a free credit report once a year for fraud purposes, so I did that and everything seemed okay. No new accounts created. So hopefully they only stole that one credit card number, and that has been taken care of.

Credit card fraud sucks, but I'm glad the credit people are doing what they can to make it easy for fraud victims to recover.

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Postby Rob » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:21 pm

Bummer. I can totally relate - still sorting out something similar here myself. :-(
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Postby hobokenbob » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:56 pm

the only thing close to this that I can report is an attempt by a gas station to double charge my account. My CC company caught it and notified me so it never happened. They said it's been happening "alot" lately (possibly since here in the states it's very expensive and there's very little margin for the retailiers)

Here's a tip at the pump: when buying gas with a card don't "round off" when you top. it's much easier to miss noticing $30.00, $30.00 on the same day if you're always rounding off your gas bill to $30. just let it hit 29.97 and 30.23 etc.
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