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Postby . » Thu Sep 25, 2003 5:10 pm

Damn we're good. Well, I am. *sly wink*



Whatever..

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Postby Bogey » Thu Sep 25, 2003 9:24 pm

. wrote:Bogey sent me stick-on bullet holes from True Crime from E3.



Hey Plut, that was Brink. I sent you a couple shirts, demo-discs, lap-dance vouchers, etc.

:P

Oh, and thanks, Dyna.

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Postby Crandle » Thu Sep 25, 2003 9:30 pm

Bogey, would you mind telling me what the fuck happened yesterday?

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Postby . » Thu Sep 25, 2003 9:31 pm

Fuck, I knew I was going to get that backwards.
If people would put their names on return addresses, it would be much easier.

Corrected:

Bogey sent me all sorts of cool shit from E3.
On a side note: I tried to use the lap dance voucher on my girlfriend at the time. It didn't work.

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Postby mtdew » Thu Sep 25, 2003 9:35 pm

Alright, since that behemoth thread is now out, lemme sum some things up.

A new kid named Kaenneth has been posting around PA. He's a good kid. Knows how to type, spell, and use grammar... when he's off the prozac, which was pretty much only last night. Otherwise he's damn annoying (apparently), but he has to take it.

Mods start talking about him in the mod forum. He might need a banning in the future. Evander suggests they come up with a reason for banning him even if they "preemptively" ban him. He worded it "trumped up," I believe.

Evander immediately was shot down by all the mods and Ramius.

All the old and current mods (pretty much) still have access to the mod forum. One of them copied the thread and sent it to SheepShirts (not a mod).

Evander and SheepShirts get in an argument in Social Entropy++. SheepShirts says Evander is on the war path for Kaenneth, and he's going to deliberately set him up for a banning.

Evander denies this. Asks for proof.

SheepShirts posts excerpts from the mod forum (given to him by a mod)

Immediately, the rabble goes crazy. SheepShirts is calling for blood, Bogey says it isn't cool, ThrillHizouse continues to psuedotroll, etc.

Evander IMs SheepShirts and asks who gave him the thread. Sheepshirts won't tell him. Evander says if he doesn't, he probably can't keep the rest of the mods from banning him. SheepShirts says the Mod Forums should be open, that the mods are only there because of the members, that this is needed for trust.

Granthgar volunteers to ban SheepShirts and subsequently does. All threads that this has now been spread out over are locked. (About three)

I post in Members Area asking what the fuck is up, and nothing really happens to it for a few hours. Boddah (an ex-mod) gets CT to unlock Dyna's thread "Of Mods and Modding" in which some of this has come out.

People go crazy in Dyna's thread. People think Bogey has been banned (he never was). Dyna psuedotrolls a bit, I try to illicit real answers, and the rest of the community just wants to "forget it" by posting lots of pictures of volleyball girls. This was driven by 150cc (also a mod)

Eventually, it all settles down, Dyna goes to sleep, as do most SE++ regulars. CT unbans SheepShirts.

Whippy and I start talking over AIM, orthanc is in there, CT, Evander, and myself. CT and Evander do not like each other. They've been at each other for quite some time. Disagreements start to arise.

30 fucking pages of threads follow, all CT and Evander going back and forth, with a few asides by orthanc, Whippy, and myself. They start off talking about the mod leaking thing, it goes to whether or not the mod forum should be open, about whether or not Evander is horrible, if he's racist, if he's a terrible mod... etc, etc, etc. CT starts with "SheepShirts is unbanned" and hours and hours later and ends with Evander saying, "You're anti-Semitic." Seriously.

This morning, denihilist gets on, says, "Boy, this is dumb," and moves the thread to a storage forum for Ramius' viewing. Discussion shifts to the Members Only forum.

SheepShirts gets on and tries to defend himself. I destroy him and everyone agrees with me. He's a nice guy, but he's being a fucking idiot with this. He seems to think the PA forum is run democratically, when it's been proven Gabe and Tycho could care less about wiping the whole thing out instantly.

And, that's it.

I could post that compiled summary of my various comments throughout the night. BoA might get a kick out of it. . .

Holy shit. This is almost to the day when Stone Sour went down. Fuck, that's too good to be true. Okay, this is some of the shit I rambled on about last night:

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So... SheepShirts was banned because the mods couldn't find who leaked mod forum info to him after he posted it. See, that's what I don't get. Seems like a problem for the mods then, not SheepShirts'. If you guys are all fucked up, sniping at each other and generally not liking one another, that seems like your number one priority. I'm sure you agree. I don't think the issue is that SheepShirts used the info, but that he got it in the first place. I don't think it should be required for him to divulge that information either. Seems like your (the mods) own mess.

From what I get on this side of the fence, the power politics between yourselves is infinitely worse than anything from the rabble. I know you all get a lot of shit, and I'm sorry, but such is the responsibility. I would have thought mods were a bit more mature than starting all this shit. I'd also expect a more unified face, but maybe that's too much to hope for until Ramius comes in and fixes everything.

Yes, there should be a closed mod forum. We regular members of the forum see only one side of mods (most of the time), as it should be. Leadership requires two faces in a group like this; how mods interact with the forums, and how mods talk to each other. Evander shouldn't have anything to hide? No, that's the wrong way to look at it. The mods should not have to worry about the process of decision making, but the decisions themselves. If the mod forum is opened up, that discourse will change, and probably for the worse. Gone will be exploration into all aspects of a situation to determine the right path. Also, there's a reason mods have access to IP info and we don't. We give a lot of personal information by merely logging on to these boards, and I'd guess that information is discussed amongst the mods before they decide on a subnet ban. Mods try to create an environment for us, the members. To do that, there's a great amount of behind-the-scenes organizing that isn't a part of our little PA forum environment. That organizing is so different, I'd bet, most of us would be fuming about it. Hell, a lot of us were, with just a little post from it.

For instance, White House Press Briefings are now very shitty since cameras were allowed into them. The Press Secretary can no longer speak "off the record" to give context to statements, etc. It's important for the White House to keep a unified front to the public, but by going off the record, the Press Secretary was able to fill in shades of gray for the press so they could have a better handle of the situation. Now, press briefings are absolutely worthless rhetoric and very little information can be gleaned from them.

That all said, these two worlds should not cross. I shouldn't have to sit around here and listen to mods bitch at each other. They should be doing that in their own forum, and if I'm aware of disagreements, the mods aren't doing their job well. The leadership is splintered, divided. That means less power to actually control how this massive rabble evolves. That's not a good thing.

So... mod away. Keep your moderator forum and keep it closed. I understand the processes of leadership... but I don't want to see them. I'm not here to debate and critique them. If the rabble gets wind of the process, they suddenly become a part of the process, like we have in this instance. When the rabble becomes a part of the leadership, the leadership is spread so thin you might as well not have mods. That is certainly the case here. There's been a major breach, and it's stirred a lot of shit. Keep it to yourselves, and I'll keep coming back to fuck around with color tags and bullshit endlessly.

But it all shouldn't have happened in the first place, and it wouldn't have if the mods were uniform in their beliefs that mod discussion belongs in mod discussion forums.

Actually, they are unified. Nothing would have been "leaked" if it wasn't believed that posting mod talk from a mod forum could circumcise the effectiveness of a mod, or at least make him look like an ass. I don't think it was ever hidden that that was the goal for posting this. With all this tension amongst the mods, this was like the Cold War. Some shithead just had the audacity to fire of a nuke, and look what it got us. I know we only see maybe 10% of the internal bitching that goes on, but it should be zero. Show any at all, and the rabble quickly takes sides, as rabbles do. Hell, people took sides with Batjew, if only for the Johnny Knoxville factor.

What happens when people take sides? It's a lot like using some deity to justify your actions. By rallying behind two mods going at it, we get shit like Greece and Troy. Or rather, 40 page topics that go nowhere but further disenfranchise a forum populace already prepped for battle (this shit has been going on for far too long, and it was bound to break at some point). We even have our deified heroes here. Bogey, SheepShirts, and the asshole Paris, Thrillhouse. Not good.

This has done nothing but salt the land. Maybe in a few months it'll be a good thing, if Ramius decides to get some new, non-pissy blood in leadership ranks. Right now, however, it stinks to high heaven in these boards, and High Heaven is Ramius, and he ain't gonna be too happy.

So yey, it all gets aired. It's all public, and I suppose it was inevitable considering the attitudes and grudges that have been festering amongst the mods. Well great. We get a shitload of accusations, a ban or two, and long winded, incoherent posts by forum veterans. Fucking wonderful.

I fail to see how making mod process public is a good idea if I can look forward to this shit every time it happens.



So, that's it as far as I can tell. No one's really sure how Ramius will react. The mods still don't know who leaked the information. SheepShirts may still face punishment as CT acted on his own. Of course, he was banned in the first place without full approval from the mods. . .

A bunch of childish shit. But the CT/Evander square-off was really something else. I wish you could still view it. 30 pages. That's fucking incredible. They. Just. Kept. Going.

Guess we'll see how it all ends soon enough.
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Postby Crandle » Thu Sep 25, 2003 9:39 pm

Jesus Christ. It's like a Tom Clancy novel played out through the forum.

edit: It was hinted to me that things were going to boil over, but not as hugely and stupidly as this.

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Postby Boondock Saint » Thu Sep 25, 2003 9:46 pm

mtdew wrote:That insane amount of shit dew spent i dunno how long typing.


Do you really care that much as to type all that shit? Seems like kind of waste...

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Postby Foo-Byte » Thu Sep 25, 2003 9:49 pm

I don't care much about the PA forums any more, but it looks like Dew still does. Hence, he typed that much.

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Postby mtdew » Thu Sep 25, 2003 9:51 pm

People were asking for a summary. I care enough about them.

And what I quoted is spliced together posts from about 6 or 7 hours. 6 or 7 hours for 1,000 words isn't much of a time commitment to me. The entire thing took me... what, 10 minutes to put together? Nothing much.
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Postby skyknyt » Thu Sep 25, 2003 9:53 pm

I'm glad we have the journalistic mind of dew around, or we'd have to wade through pictures of girls playing volleyball to get to the heart of forum drama.

... wait a minute.

skye



PS: In all honesty, thanks for posting that, Dew. Everything makes a fuck of a lot more sense.
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Postby toaster » Thu Sep 25, 2003 10:37 pm

Crandle wrote:Jesus Christ. It's like a Tom Clancy novel played out through the forum.



Stereotypes, chauvinism, absurd stories, bad writing and pseudo-realism?

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Postby Square721BT » Thu Sep 25, 2003 10:47 pm

You know, I've hated Evander since the child-porn thing.
Actually, I'd think it was really cool if I saw Jesus in my icecream too. A tyrannosaur in an F14 would be even cooler.
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Postby nobody_important » Thu Sep 25, 2003 11:11 pm

Child porn thing? I guess I missed that one. Anyway, Evander plays the Jewish card way too much. It's one thing to be proud of your heritage. It's quite another thing to start screaming "anti-semetic" every time someone disagrees with you. That "misandrony" bullshit he was pushing made me pretty mad, too.
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Postby Bogey » Thu Sep 25, 2003 11:13 pm

If I may, I'd like to clarify a few things from mtdew's summary:


mtdew wrote:Alright, since that behemoth thread is now out, lemme sum some things up.

A new kid named Kaenneth has been posting around PA. He's a good kid. Knows how to type, spell, and use grammar... when he's off the prozac, which was pretty much only last night. Otherwise he's damn annoying (apparently), but he has to take it.

Mods start talking about him in the mod forum. He might need a banning in the future. Evander suggests they come up with a reason for banning him even if they "preemptively" ban him. He worded it "trumped up," I believe.

Evander immediately was shot down by all the mods and Ramius.

All the old and current mods (pretty much) still have access to the mod forum. One of them copied the thread and sent it to SheepShirts (not a mod).

Evander and SheepShirts get in an argument in Social Entropy++. SheepShirts says Evander is on the war path for Kaenneth, and he's going to deliberately set him up for a banning.

Evander denies this. Asks for proof.

SheepShirts posts excerpts from the mod forum (given to him by a mod)


Actually, Thrill first accused Evander of this a few days ago (in the mario-kart thread) but nothing happened. Last night, Evander started talking some smack, so I called him out on this and a bunch of other issues (this started on page 15 of leo7's "pic of gozza" thread.) Evander denies all of my allegations, thinking that nobody had proof and it would be just his word against mine.

Well, sheep comes in and posts the excerpts from the mod forum and things go crazy. Evander, caught in his lies, makes up crazy excuses and retreats to the mod forum where he raises hell.

Immediately, the rabble goes crazy. SheepShirts is calling for blood, Bogey says it isn't cool, ThrillHizouse continues to psuedotroll, etc.

Evander IMs SheepShirts and asks who gave him the thread. Sheepshirts won't tell him. Evander says if he doesn't, he probably can't keep the rest of the mods from banning him. SheepShirts says the Mod Forums should be open, that the mods are only there because of the members, that this is needed for trust.


Yeah, Grath proceeds to ban sheep and Thrill for "obstruction of justice" (yeah, they really used that phrase) after which I post the chatlog between sheep and Evander and state that I should be banned as well, since I started most of this. I then get a pm from Grath telling me that I will be banned unless I revealed my source. I politely pm him back telling him that accept the banning since I can't in good conscience do what he wants (it's pretty silly to me by now.) I then left for the night, but returned this morning to discover that my banning was just a scare tactic to get me to talk. Well those are the basics that I know of. A lot of stuff happened afterwards but I'm still trying to get details about it. Suddenly, I'm a drama queen! :wink:

Granthgar volunteers to ban SheepShirts and subsequently does. All threads that this has now been spread out over are locked. (About three)

I post in Members Area asking what the fuck is up, and nothing really happens to it for a few hours. Boddah (an ex-mod) gets CT to unlock Dyna's thread "Of Mods and Modding" in which some of this has come out.

People go crazy in Dyna's thread. People think Bogey has been banned (he never was). Dyna psuedotrolls a bit, I try to illicit real answers, and the rest of the community just wants to "forget it" by posting lots of pictures of volleyball girls. This was driven by 150cc (also a mod)

Eventually, it all settles down, Dyna goes to sleep, as do most SE++ regulars. CT unbans SheepShirts.

Whippy and I start talking over AIM, orthanc is in there, CT, Evander, and myself. CT and Evander do not like each other. They've been at each other for quite some time. Disagreements start to arise.

30 fucking pages of threads follow, all CT and Evander going back and forth, with a few asides by orthanc, Whippy, and myself. They start off talking about the mod leaking thing, it goes to whether or not the mod forum should be open, about whether or not Evander is horrible, if he's racist, if he's a terrible mod... etc, etc, etc. CT starts with "SheepShirts is unbanned" and hours and hours later and ends with Evander saying, "You're anti-Semitic." Seriously.

This morning, denihilist gets on, says, "Boy, this is dumb," and moves the thread to a storage forum for Ramius' viewing. Discussion shifts to the Members Only forum.

SheepShirts gets on and tries to defend himself. I destroy him and everyone agrees with me. He's a nice guy, but he's being a fucking idiot with this. He seems to think the PA forum is run democratically, when it's been proven Gabe and Tycho could care less about wiping the whole thing out instantly.

And, that's it.

I could post that compiled summary of my various comments throughout the night. BoA might get a kick out of it. . .

Holy shit. This is almost to the day when Stone Sour went down. Fuck, that's too good to be true. Okay, this is some of the shit I rambled on about last night:

Guess we'll see how it all ends soon enough.

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Postby Square721BT » Thu Sep 25, 2003 11:23 pm

nobody_important wrote:Child porn thing? I guess I missed that one. Anyway, Evander plays the Jewish card way too much. It's one thing to be proud of your heritage. It's quite another thing to start screaming "anti-semetic" every time someone disagrees with you. That "misandrony" bullshit he was pushing made me pretty mad, too.

He was one of the people posting child porn in the PA chatroom. I got him banned from MSN for that.
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Postby . » Thu Sep 25, 2003 11:27 pm

No kidding?
Wow, I just figured you two were arguing over whether child porn should be illegal or something.

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Postby Square721BT » Fri Sep 26, 2003 1:03 am

No kidding.

I was arguing over the legality of child porn with someone else, though.
Actually, I'd think it was really cool if I saw Jesus in my icecream too. A tyrannosaur in an F14 would be even cooler.

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Postby Zsinj » Fri Sep 26, 2003 2:19 am

I think it was Loser, I think I was there.

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Postby mtdew » Fri Sep 26, 2003 4:31 am

Bogey wrote:Yeah, Grath proceeds to ban sheep and Thrill for "obstruction of justice" (yeah, they really used that phrase) after which I post the chatlog between sheep and Evander and state that I should be banned as well, since I started most of this.


I thought Thrill was banned for another reason. I remember Evander saying, "we're just banning him for what he was trying to get us to ban someone else over. Karma." I don't think the "karma" part was obstruction of justice. Accusing or trolling? I don't remember. Have any other insight?
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Postby Kauser » Fri Sep 26, 2003 9:53 am

Crandle wrote:Jesus Christ. It's like a Tom Clancy novel played out through the forum.



Nothing of the sort. I tend to find Tom Clancy mildly interesting.
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