Too-Much-Coffee Mistress wrote:That just makes him insecure, not stupid. So while it might actually be an effective insult, it doesn't make the statement "An insult is an inflated truth" any more correct.
That seems like a semantic quibble to me, particularly if you view truths as subjective, which it sounds like most of us do. Either way, I think we can all agree with the statement "An effective insult plays on the fears or inadquecies of an individual by naming them publicly and inflating them."
Right. But I'd also add that a good deal of this discussion revolves around semantics.
I don't know what you're trying to say about crowd-depreciating humor. I'm not certain what you mean by that. And I really am not willing to accept that Franken gets up in frontt of a room full of right-wing Christians, and gets away with "Family Values are for morons!", I'm sorry. I think, TMCM, that you are warping reality in your hero-worship.
If you hadn't said that you didn't understand what I meant by crowd-depreciating humour, I would say that you were cherry picking to prove your point with the "Family Values" bit. Of course
he doesn't do a joke like that. But he does
do jokes to those crowds along the lines of "liberals can't afford my speaking fees, but you guys can... because you're rich, white bastards!"
*wink wink, nudge nudge*". That's obviously not an exact quote, since it's not funny, but I don't have the quote itself in front of me at the moment.
Okay, that's totally avoiding thinking about the issue. "Ah, Nazis are evil! Case closed. Therefore, everyone will enjoy being told what they don't want to hear, so long as they are not evil!"
That's silly. Nazi's are
evil, case closed, precisely. I'm not saying everything... in fact, most everything else is that cut and dried, but damn. Well, let's say more that Nazi beliefs are evil.
The essential point I was trying to make (which, in hindsight, was probably obvious) is that some "jokes", such as anti-semetic ones, are not funny and are decidedly stupid even if they appeal to a certain crowd. That may come off more like a judgement call than a straight-forward assessment, but I'm making it.
I mean, c'mon. Carrot Top
found an audience. <-*A lame joke. Carrot Top's audiences are not automatically stupid.*
I'm not ready to believe in the existence of evil simply because it makes for a convenient argument - I'm sure as shit not ready to do so and then bitch about Christianity doing the same. At the same time, I'm not ready to concede that right-wing Republicans are vastly different from the Nazis - they share a decent number of the same beliefs. Remember that 70% of the populace now believes that Muslims should be forced to register. We're edging closer and closer to concentration camps.
Neither am I, and I wouldn't argue with you on this point. At least not as far as universal evil. But can an argument for
things like Naziism really be made, especially so that racist humour in that context could be considered ok? I don't think so.
Note that this is probably nearly as geeky as Bag's WoW comment, and invalidates my comment there.
Moreso. But neither are as geeky as the computer conversation in Central. Nerds!
mia wrote:Leave my flabby butt out of it!
I would appreciate it if people would stop using the inappropriate descriptor of "flabby butt", and instead use the more proper "Pushin' Cushion." Thank you.